The Order of the Straight Arrow

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Rob: 
Hello and welcome to Yep, a King of the Hill podcast that's against Bill H.R. 57 to allow the importation of South American propane. I am Rob Couch. And I am Ronnie Neely, and today we are talking about Season 1, Episode 3, The Order of the Straight Arrow. Can you imagine how I'd have turned out if my dad had loved me no matter what?

Ronnie: 
That'd be so horrible, Hank.

CLIP: 
I don't know, gosh forbid.

Rob: 
Well, hey, in this episode, Hank and the guys take Bobby and some boys camping to recreate their own childhood experiences, earning badges for the Order of the Straight Arrow. But a whoop-ass stick and a snipe hunt embroils them in dead bird subterfuge. All right, well, this episode originally aired February 2nd, 1997. I remembered them saying Wee McTagney like a thousand times. Something in the episode's like... Repeat stuff, repeat stuff, repeat stuff. But will I like it more these years later, revisiting it for the podcast? That is the question. It's a big mystery. Whenever you hear We Metagne, you're just like... Leave your stupid comments in your pocket.

Ronnie: 
well hey yeah i mean i kind of i i echo your sentiments this was never one of my favorites growing up now of course whenever it was on i'd still watch it like an episode of king of the hill i'm not crazy about is still a good episode of tv um as we'll see uh with this one i am excited to talk about this one though on the podcast because this episode does some interesting things for the show and it does lay a lot of groundwork going forward for the show that we haven't gotten in

Rob: 
Oh, really? I didn't even notice that.

Ronnie: 
We'll see Randy, also his dad. Eustace, is that his name? I can't remember. Exactly

Rob: 
Exactly that. So yeah, not a favorite of ours, but I think it'll be a good time. All right. Well, yeah, I won't spoil that. I liked it. Okay.

Ronnie: 
Hey! Well, hey, Rob, what do you say we check the Arlen bystander and see what in the Wimetagne was going on? We metanye. Thank you for listening to Yep We Metanye. If you would like to support this podcast, there's one simple way to do that. Head on over to yeppodcast.com slash support. For $10 a month, you get the occasional bonus episode from Rob and I. There's one in there right now where we are talking about the upcoming King of the Hill revival. We're trying to keep all that stuff over there because we don't want to bog these episodes down with speculation. is like spying on his family, here's us talking about it.

CLIP: 
What's up about

CLIP: 
Hey!

Ronnie: 
- Funny raps. - My name is Hailey Kipper, how do you do?

Rob: 
If everyone remembers this, it's some genius kid and he uses his genius. He's just a real whiz with electronics. He uses it to set up, now I'm forgetting what they call them, but eyeballs that are cameras. Cameras that look like eyeballs all over his own home to - Really? Bailey Kipper?

CLIP: 
- Five ball number two.

CLIP: 
Hot whip. Spy ball number three.

Rob: 
How horny is this kid? I'm curious. Like, okay, I got all these spy balls and here's what I like to do is check out chicks. He's like bathroom spy ball online. Oh my God. Ah, sisters get, yeah, like what the fuck is this little creep doing? I have to watch this show because one, the concept is crazy. And two, just the production is insane. Like all those little noises and like the dated graphics and the kids fucking rapping and the kids are like, oh my God.

Ronnie: 
I have to watch this show. Bailey Kipper's POV is absolutely insane. I'm so delighted I found it because of Yep. If you would like to hear all of that and more, yeppodcast.com support links in the description of this podcast episode.

Rob: 
All right, so hey, we get a cold open in the alley. We're in the alley this time. For the first time, right? Am I misremembering? We were in the alley a bit in Square Peg, but to me, this feels more like, I don't want to say urgent. That's a little over the top, but it's like we do start, the guys are standing there drinking in the alley. I think in Square Peg, they are cutting like a tree down or something like that, right? Like they're doing something out there. Regardless though, we open up, we're in the alley. It's, you know, the alley we know and love. dads sent them on a snipe hunt yeah we get to see them as kids yes and they bust out some bloody mary mix we see the label it says just add alcohol but they're talking about how they're gonna get all smashed and they're making plans for their futures this is kind of a longer clip but god great scene this was. Snipe! Shut up, Dale. There is no snipe. I heard my dad - I'm looking to hear Dad. - So what are we doing out here? - We're gonna get snackered, I tell you what, boy, man. I wanna get old Mitch up and just pollute our minds. It's like three cheats of the dang old one. Ooh. When I grow up, I'm going to drink this stuff every day, just like my dad. And fly jets and maybe even be an astronaut.

CLIP: 
and have people killed.

CLIP: 
to sell propane and propane

CLIP: 
*laughs*

Rob: 
Crazy dreams.

Ronnie: 
Presta can't even blame. Oh my gosh. Well, we didn't get to hear anything from Boomhauer and what he wanted to grow up to be. And that is a theme throughout the show where we never really learned what he does. But I think it's like the last episode, at least as of this recording, where we see his ID and he's like a sheriff or something like that. Texas Ranger. Yeah, yeah. Texas Ranger. Yeah. But yeah, it's cool because we get this flashback where we see Cotton and he's talking to them about Order of the Straight Arrow. like he wanted to when he was a kid.

Rob: 
and I love seeing him as a little kid. Just we find out his dad's just getting all the time i guess drink this every day just like my dad i love all their voices yeah just so fascinating to see these characters and back to cotton we are three for three now of seeing him in a flashback yeah they almost make him like this unbelievable character because every time we see him so far he's crazy as hell in these flashbacks to where you're like this couldn't possibly be a guy like this couldn't be a character but sure enough he's like just as crazy once we do meet him as he is in all these flashbacks there they are growing up they want to take the boys out right is pulling up to the house

CLIP: 
Dad, can we - I'm gonna bring Bobby, bring a live person

Rob: 
If you want to be sissies... He said yes! Hey, Dale, there's your wife's, uh, healer. - Yeah, John Redcorn, let's get some funny Indian stuff

Ronnie: 
let's get some funny indian stuff yeah yeah uh i'm i i pulled that joseph clip too i wasn't sure if you were gonna have that or not so i love that so much yeah he's like if you want to be sissies he said yes uh but i i saw this on reddit the other day this is not my idea that they always call him by his full name john redcorn they don't just call him john it's always john redcorn which

Rob: 
and min and connie maybe because they can't pronounce their last name right um but yeah i never thought about that before they always say the full name john redcorn yeah no i never thought of that either i mean i think that it does it fits in with what he is on the show to them he is this strange indian right but but they're buddies with them so they can like they're kind of buddies I don't know what all goes on later, but for now he seems like he really is just this entity that comes around and they all Nancy and they got to keep that a secret from Dale and but as far as I can tell so far right they don't they don't really know John Redcorn or right but you know they will apply approach him to talk about again as some good Indian stuff. - Give me some of that good Indian stuff. - Our rituals are considered sacred and are passed down only Oh, well, that don't bother us. Hell no. We'll take a sacred one. I love the delivery.

Ronnie: 
We'll take a sacred one. Yeah, like, oh, that's all right. You can give it to him. Like, they think he's, like, warning them or something along those lines where they're like, oh, we don't...

Rob: 
mind. We don't mind misappropriating your culture. That's fine. So Redcorn does go into some of the stuff that he was taught by his own elders. And Hank's taking notes about, for example, Wima Tanya, which I think John Redcorn says, we're my Oh, we're matting you. And Hank's like, we're matting you. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. And that's how it's pronounced for the rest of the episode. Well, I do have a clip here from Bill, where he has some ideas. And I pulled this clip because I know that you're interested in Bill. And I think this is our first time kind of seeing how... Fucked up his life is. Six years, Bill. socks by now he's just like and that does come back the socks do come back which i love that they uh they did yeah i think that might be our first time seeing bill like learning more about his situation in a real way like in in the first one we don't really get any bill and the second one uh we learned like that he's in the military and he really not his defining stuff right Well, I sure do like getting Bill. Yeah. For one thing. Exactly. Yeah. And in such great ways. I mean, I'm so depressed. Like, I'm going to drink this every day like my daddy. And I'm so depressed. And I've got my wife's socks. And he's so fucking proud. Yeah, he's like, so he gets blistered still. Like, he thinks he's fucking her over by having these socks in his possession. I mean, this guy said three sentences this episode. It's amazing. Yeah, you get so much background to this guy. Yeah, again, to this episode is we just learning about spending more time with these other characters. That the first two episodes didn't really focus too much on them. Yeah, that's right. Oh, my goodness. You remember the Friends scene? The Friends doll scene? I love these Bobby and Joseph scenes. Yeah, they're so great. And they're anticipating what this camping trip is going to be like, what they're going to have to do. as part of their earning whatever badge they gotta earn for this order of the straight arrow. And so we get to drop in on the boys. - It's supposed to be hard.

CLIP: 
on hot coals, and then you have to eat 'em. Eww!

Rob: 
- I don't know. Coles and Bobby's like after you walk off it's like yeah also they're gonna burn you yeah they're gonna be like and they're going to destroy your digestive system. But yeah, it's also a little gross. I mean, these sweetheart dummies, I feel like that you feel safe, right? You think your dads are going to take care of you. So it is kind of like roller coaster haunted house style, horror movie style, like enjoying being afraid and nervous, but like you actually think you're safe so you can just enjoy it. And so like they're in a way, it seems to me like you're, imagining myself at that age you're just kind of like going along with it and enjoying like the fantasy of what this is going to be and but you're like you're not even good at that so so like oh you're gonna have to eat hot coals oh like you're trying to make sense of the joy ride you're going to be on the roller coaster of horrors that are that awaits you and it's like oh after you walk on them i don't know there's something very like childish and naive and sweet about getting swept up in the event that

Ronnie: 
You know, I want to address that. Like, who do you think that Joseph heard this from? Dale had to have told him this. Yeah, exactly. So also, like, you've got your dad ostensibly or presumably telling you this. That's why they're believing it. But they're supposed to be 12 years old here, or maybe 11. So they're not mature enough to know that's not going to happen. You can't eat hot coals. It's preposterous.

Rob: 
but since they're so ignorant they're so young like they're playing into this this fantasy of it yeah and i guess that's what i kind of stumbled into and was having a hard time explaining but like do they know right does part of them know that that's ludicrous but they are are enjoying the fun of what this is like oh my gosh we have to do all this terrible stuff meanwhile they probably feel like they're not really gonna have to do terrible terrible stuff right because they're

Ronnie: 
to the beginning of that scene, we do have

Rob: 
Bobby's only badge is a sewing badge and it fucking falls off as he's talking about it. For me, I remember experimenting with saying fuck in as many different ways as I could as like an alien. year old. They're pretty old maybe to be tinkering with profanity, but here we go.

Ronnie: 
Hell, that's hot!

CLIP: 
- I'm not kidding. Did I just hear what I almost heard?

CLIP: 
Son, Peggy Hill,

Rob: 
half a swear word when she hears one. You had the coolest mom she smells like miracle whip So there's a little bit of seeing Joseph being kind of a creep which he is from time to time. Oh is he creepy there?

Ronnie: 
innocent and you might crush on a friend's mom and stuff like that oh maybe i'm just been a creep my whole life uh rob that's this is an intervention uh no see i don't even mean it i want to be clear i don't mean it in like a i don't want to say sexual way but like you get what i mean like oh yeah yeah kind of like a like that to me it's just a weird thing to say yeah that your mom is cool because she smells like miracle whip like it's so it's so bizarre oh i i should say uh what they're Again, to being in a tent, I couldn't help but play you my favorite tent joke, which I'm guessing, Rob, you like as well.

Rob: 
with a girlfriend inside of a tent. That's a bad place for an argument, because I didn't try and slam the flap. your anger in this situation. - I'm gonna diaper it up really quick.

Ronnie: 
Fuck you. Fuck you.

Rob: 
- Good old Mitch Hedberg, but yeah, fun to see them. Boys being boys, right? and Peggy stops it. It's some of my favorite stuff in these early episodes so far. Yeah. Just Bobby and Joseph. Just being buddies. - Leaving town to go attend her mom's arraignment. And of course the guys are all taken, the boys camping. And so Peggy in this episode has her own little B story that unfolds. quite know what's going on. Here, when everybody's heading out, she seems excited. Have a good time. Take lots of pictures. - Gosh, Peg, if I didn't know you,

Ronnie: 
- Well, that is not true. You and Bobby are my whole life. - Come on kids, let's go! - So he's like, yeah, you're right. So he's so obviously Unfortunately, and there is a reason I'm bringing this up, once Hank goes

Rob: 
I'll see you Sunday, pig. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Goodbye. Damn it. Looks like we're delayed a couple hours. I gotta charge up the battery. I gotta charge up the battery. Battery. So first of all, charging a battery does not take a couple hours. You only need to do it for like 10 minutes. You need to get the battery going. Because when you're driving, you're going to recharge the battery while you're driving. And they're going on a walk. Which is what they do. So yeah, why not just jump it? Right, exactly. - Exactly that. So this kind of, the reason I want to bring this up is because

Ronnie: 
to what we were talking about in pilot which is does hank really know that much about cars there is like a visual gag because they're in the driveway when this happens the car doesn't start well then we just instantly cut to the alley and the car's already in the alley and then peggy's like pushing it or whatever yeah she says pop the clutch yeah which her car seems to be an automatic which doesn't really but regardless uh the point is the reason i wanted to bring this up peggy is the one who kind of gets them going right like hank is supposed to be this mechanically minded man with bill dale and boomhower also there and peggy's the one who gets the car fixed so that they can go so i just

Rob: 
little interesting point on this uh theory that we have that maybe they're not so good with cars yeah which i don't know i mean stuff like that like obviously it's whatever you just roll with it but part of me is kind of like well wait a minute come on who are these characters i like that it's grounded in reality and then sometimes it's like the gag maybe over it supersedes yeah yeah yeah yeah the con any continuity again totally fine that's fine yeah yeah as long as knows her, and sets her up with some zappitas. Amigo, it is time for some new zappitas. Or shoes, as you say in your country. Or shoes, as you say in your country. So she's pretending to be Mexican. Now, let me tell you, I am such a dingbat that I didn't actually piece together the puzzle as it was given to us, right? I'm like, okay, she stayed in a hotel. She's using an assumed name. She refers to this guy's country. He looks Hispanic or something, you know? Right. But first of all, it's about five, six hours from where Arlen is theoretically at. So that's how far she was driving. Peggy drove six hours. each way yeah and uh used an assumed name she stays at a motel a motel 7 i think it is but so And for the big-footed lady, some big fucking shoes size 16s yeah triple e whatever that means i don't know that's a real thing i assume it's like extra wide though right you would think so some big old honking clown shoes she gets from this dude who knows her had ideas ready to go for what she might like like some kind of faux alligator thing and then uh i don't know if we have it in the notes you know

Ronnie: 
Well, I want to say at the shoe store, the guy's like, I'll have, he lists two guys' names.

Rob: 
Like it takes two dudes to carry this out. - Just a big old heavy box of-- I didn't realize she was putting him in a different box, but I think you might be right on that. I think that's what she says to Hank. She's filing the one-off. Yeah, the one-off. So it just looks like a six. And then Hank makes the, you know, he says like, this family goes through microwaves faster than some people go through shoes. Yeah, exactly that. So I love that. I mean, one, the way the story unfolds for Peggy is fun. It's fun to wonder what she's up to. And I think the payoff is pretty funny and great. egomaniacal tendencies are probably also growing out of a degree of insecurity and so forth right and like all that is playing into this like fun little b story right exactly that and i do have some more thoughts on that but i'll save it for the end because that's like our last part of the episode is seeing the resolution to that yeah so that's kind of peggy's story wrapped up but yeah the guys and the boys they head out to the lake and it's a rough trip hank and the guys uh tell the boys about like the shit and he he's the stand-in for me where he's like all right that's enough and so He strategizes. He gives them silent sticks to shut them up. - Okay, the 24 hour oath of silence starts now. - Those are your silent sticks. - Those are slim jeans. - That's what the white man calls 'em. Wumatanya calls them silent sticks to test your spirit of shutting up. - I am being able to identify It helps me get over the annoyance I have with the repetition. You like a Slim Jim? Oh, yeah! Oh, yeah! Yeah, I don't mind Slim Jims. I know the other show I podcast about Aqua Teen Hunger Force has done some Slim Jim ads. I've had a few.

Ronnie: 
I've never used them as, you know, camping sticks, though, in this way. But I do want to let you know that We Met Tanya is said, according to the King of the Hill fandom wiki, 39 times throughout the episode. But as annoying as that car ride is, we do get that classic scene of Dale's mooning them out the window. And then Boomhauer loses control of the car.

Rob: 
for King of the Hill, but of course they use it to promote the show. when they tune in. It's not all this. But when you do get moments like this, it's like so fucking funny. Hey, put on the show where the guy gets his ass hit. A good tree limb ass smack. Let's get to it. And you're like, well, that's such a fucking small part of it. What's this bird? Yeah, what's this Ouimetagne business? Why do they keep saying it so many times? Ouimetagne, I see Texas Ouimetagne! All right, that's it. So Hank's like, everybody shut up for 24 hours. It starts now. - Bobby, man. - Right now? - Bobby, son, you just talked. Now I'll let that pass, - Talk again! - Which I love, there's a little bit more, but I love that moment. And it's important where this whole thing is going, gratefully let me off the hook because I talked when I shouldn't have. And so what does he do? Thanks, dad, son, give me that slim Jim. Oh my God. I mean, it is kind of sad because up until, look, I get it. They're being annoying, but up until this point, the boys are having a lot of fun. It seems like that they're all goofing around. Again, we have Joseph, Bobby, and then two other kids that we've just met. Really, they have to kind of pack this fucker out because Bill and Boomhauer don't have kids. Yeah.

Ronnie: 
Boomhauer having kids because there is a character we will see later at Bobby's school who's called by the fans Kid Hauer because he looks like he could be Boomhauer's son.

Rob: 
- And you know, he's like a ladies man, right? - As we will see in this episode. you know, Hank is encouraging all the kids. don't want to end up like randy's dad and then randy's like my dad's a successful whatever the fuck and hank goes not in the eyes of wema tanya yeah i guess that i i read that there's a deleted where we see Randy's dad with like a really nice sports car or something like that. So we see he's like is very successful, but like these four guys still hate him from when they were kids. They get to the campgrounds and it's jam packed with people. Now all that congested traffic just to get into the campgrounds, is that all related to these hippies that are there like protesting whatever environmental shit they want to save this and that species and in pollution and everything?

Ronnie: 
like buses and stuff for the hippie people so like they didn't all have their own cars which would be very hypocritical as we learn they are they are very environmentally focused if they all drove there individually it'd be kind of

Rob: 
We do see some hippies out there talking about endangered animals. else. This lady... and listen, I'm a real perceptive fella at least sometimes i knew she was brawless before hank mentioned it oh eagle-eyed viewer oh i'm like look at that fuck she's look at that nipple all right you're eagle-eyed i am eagle-eared and picked up that that was kathy and jimmy oh i know doing that because otherwise you know there's not much peggy in this episode so i assume they're like all right you do this character too so that you have more lines i was distracted by that though i find myself always a little distracted whenever Kathy is doing these other voices because it's always, like she's doing a different voice, but it's so obviously, undeniably her that it's always like, oh, that's Kathy. But I'm not mad about it. She's talking to an old bullhorn, talking about like, we're saving this. And it ends a bit of a punchline where she's like, and plus we've eliminated 300 logging jobs and people start clapping. Yeah, which is kind of interesting, right? Like the show, like these people probably have decent ideas And then you get into the debate of like, well, maybe those lives, like those folks need other jobs because this, this, you know, the mining is bad, whatever. It gets complicated, right? We're She ends her thing through the bullhorn saying the brown herbal ecstasy is bad, which is like a reference to Woodstock, you know, in the famous documentary where they're saying, like, don't take the brown acid. And Dale's pulling a case of Alamo beer out of the trunk of the car. And I just like that we kind of see that, like, here's Dale with all this beer. And in the background, here's these hippies talking about taking ecstasy. We're not all so different. I'm saying beer is ecstasy. in front of God and everybody? Would it kill a tree if she wore a bra? Would it kill a tree if she wore a bra? we hop over and we hear uh joseph is at this point kind of out of nowhere right where did he pick up the the skepticism but he He thinks all the spiritual stuff probably bullshit. Yeah, I think he's just picking up because they're still not supposed to talk, and I think he's kind of like... realizing that it's like why you know it's just dumb that they can't talk basically but bobby's got faith in hank i'm beginning to think this silence thing is just so we don't bother them they're not testing anything except for how dumb we are it's a whole trick my dad wouldn't trick us my dad wouldn't trick us that wouldn't trick us we then pan over and we see the four guys standing there it's kind of like a scenic shot of them like standing on like this it's like a cliffside or something and they're like holding up their beers and like we metanya or something like that so like bobby sees that thinking like oh they really do believe in this right but really like then we cut to them and they're just like talking shit or whatever they're just like yeah you know it's all bullshit yeah it's all a goof to them right right like we metanya yeah yeah exactly that yeah exactly that so joseph very perceptive uh pretty pretty intelligent here to pick up on this the old guys though the dads the alley guys they uh they want to get rid of these boys to drink some some beer so they do send them on a snipe hunt which is what that earlier uh flashback scene was yes was them when they were boys yeah that's what they were supposed to be doing yeah so he's like here's - Sticks. - Yeah. or whatever yeah they have like a little uh chant they have to do and i love you know hank's like that'll keep him busy for a while and then right away bobby comes out instantly fucking clubs something yeah and it turns out to be a whooping crane now you done it now you're really gonna What do you mean you? We're all in this together. Me and Boomhauer came on our own trip in our own conveyance. You and I may be acquainted, but we are not traveling companions. I'm merely here to enjoy Earth Day and play some hacky sack. Dale, I'm going to need you to give me the key. now so i love that dale's immediately as soon as there's yeah trouble they're like they're like oh he killed that's a whooping crane and uh there's only five dale goes there's only five of those in the world well four right no but i mean this is big insight to dale right because we see how quickly he will ditch not only his lifelong friends but his own fucking son he is prepared to ditch them and when they get there he's like oh what's this liberal hootenanny and now he's like i'm here to kill bird that's where the term sniper comes from which I know i only really know snipers from video games and i'm like ah i gotta get a sniper and snipe somebody but i guess it comes from the term of of a shooting the birds really so wait there is a real bird called a snipe yes i didn't know that and i didn't know that that's where the word sniper came from yes sir yeah they're uh it's a it's a waiting bird and uh it's a little guy and i guess yeah they're hard to shoot so that's kind of where that all comes from huh yeah that's all new to me i like territories, like where they are at, which is spoilers, what Bobby used his whooping stick to get a whooping crane. There are some in Texas in that area. So this is a actual thing that Bobby could have done. I thought a snipe was just a fake thing that's used in this situation where you want to send people on a snipe hunt because they're going to be hunting. It's like a wild goose chase. Like it's Although I guess wild geese are real too. Yeah, they're real too.

Ronnie: 
like again, sniper known as like hard birds to shoot. So I think that's just why like, okay, yeah, go get the snipe when like, maybe there are some there, but like the person's not going to get them.

Rob: 
that stuff yeah he like has it like worked out in his head like how he's going to disassociate himself from that. - I love that he says I love that word in that situation. Yeah. Like he's all conspiratorial and a coward, you know, weasel, like you said. And now he's going to get like literate. Yeah, then he pulls out the legal jargon. Absolutely. Well, so Bobby, he's got a whooping crane. They know this is an endangered bird. In the morning, a park ranger comes around looking for the whooping crane because it's tagged and it's trackable. And the park ranger is like tracking it. describes the bird as a very rare and beautiful. Very rare and beautiful. - Rare and beautiful. - I love the way this guy talks, man. Now I went and looked because on IMDb I don't think anybody's as the ranger did i miss that i i went over to the fan wiki deal and they're saying the park rangers played by johnny hardwick i could see it yeah i was surprised and impressed if that's true yeah yeah we could be totally wrong i could i could see that being him though so yeah he i love it because uh you know hank's dealing with this he's all nervous and the whooping crane is in their um about this whooping crane. So funny. Sir, do you know anything about this? Yeah, man. I'll tell you what, dude. One of them snipers last night, man, with them sticks and bags, and them quack, quack, man. We'd go, woo-loo, talking about, Y'all right there in that cooler. Well, if you do see anything, you can contact the ranger station. He fucking tells the guy everything that happened, but the guy didn't understand. Well, if you see anything, you can contact the ranger station. And then here comes Dale. You know, he was trying to leave. So at one point they're like, all right, well, let's all go to sleep and we'll deal with this in the morning. And Dale's like, yeah, we'll all go to sleep. Like he's clearly going to make his escape. I skipped that part. But then Hank's like, Bill, take his pants. Yeah. They really lock them down. And Bill complies with everything that Hank is situation. He's kind of the enforcer, right? And I want to say that's a role that he'll play from time to time. Hank's kind of the leader. And one way that he can like retain his power, Among his friends is that Bill is, I think, basically loyal and will do what Hank says, including keeping Dale from being able to flee.

Ronnie: 
because then Boomhauer, of course, tattles on them.

Rob: 
He tells them everything, No one can understand Boomhauer. It's fun thinking about the dynamics. Yeah, nobody can understand. So maybe on the one hand, it's like, well, how are won't be a problem because he couldn't tell anybody if he wanted to um but also it's like well i can't fuck with boom how are like you know boom how is a stud yeah dale i can tell dale what to do especially with bill's strong arm help right exactly that yeah yeah boom how are is isn't gonna really bend to anybody a whole lot i i don't anticipate but uh

Ronnie: 
the the Ranger again he sees Dale stripped down to his tighty-whities and he chalks that up to the order the straight arrow and he says like oh it's like the same as when I was in it or something like that so it's revealed he was in it too that does bring us to a conversation point I want to get into with you is you weren't a Boy Scout right no neither was I so like to me this episode is like this is a big part of what I understand Boy Scouts to be obviously I know this is ridiculous cartoon but I - I can imagine somebody who was probably has a different relationship with this episode than you and I do. - Yeah. - I remember learning about Boy Scouts when I was in fifth grade

Rob: 
Maybe younger, probably. And I was like, you mean you guys don't just go home and watch TV? What's that like? I had a friend who was at least a Cub Scout early on and then probably a Boy Scout. I don't think he saw it all the way through to Eagle Scout or anything. He was a Boy Scout, he played all the sports. I always refer to him like he was a real boy. I was home watching TV. He was out doing stuff, including Boy Scouts. That was my only contact with it. I don't remember him ever telling me much about it. tagged along to any kind of event sure uh now i'm married to a mormon you know who loves the goddamn boy scouts oh mormons the mormons yeah so i got i got at least one maybe two brothers in law who are eagle scouts my buddy andy i want to shout andy out i'm sure he'll be listening to this because he loves king of the hill uh he was an eagle scout so i did help him very briefly he had to do like some final project when he was like 17 or 18 or something for it and his dad was i think

Ronnie: 
had tapped out of that lifestyle,

Rob: 
to just watch Friends. Yeah. I mean, the big reason why I didn't do that or anything else was probably because my parents just worked. There wasn't a whole lot of time to do much of anything. But also, I don't know, like that ain't for me, man. It's probably a chicken and the egg situation. But as soon as some fucking scout leader was like, you should go do this. I'm like, don't tell me what to do. I'll fucking tell you. Well, to shout out the Boy Scouts, though, Scouting America, the HQ is in Irving, Texas. Is that right? Yeah. And I should mention, apparently the Order of the Arrow is Scouting's National Honor Society. on you and I, but maybe we can get one of your in-laws in here to ask him about it. Alright, so the ranger goes off. You know, nothing to see here as far as he can tell. And off he goes, and the guys are going to try to deal with this bird dead body. Yeah. But a couple of the hippies see them transporting... The carcass. And so they have to make a whole getaway and they're getting chased. Some of the guys, the hippie guys kick hacky sacks at them at the car as it pulls away. Now, were you going to point out something about these hippies being hypocrites or something at this point? We do see them breaking shit. Like they step on some bird eggs. Oh, yeah. They're, you know, breaking some of the foliage and stuff as they're running to like, hey, get these nature haters. a right-wing hypocrisy, but the show in the first two episodes at least have taken its stance on

Ronnie: 
these characters besides Dale aren't super right-wing people. They're more like central people. So they're trying to do the kind of the same thing here with these like hippies. I don't know how I feel

Rob: 
because I feel like it's kind of a stretch, but it is a good point that surely there are people like this that do exist. If you think about King of the Hill as being grounded in regular life, it's about regular people... that's loaded on its own just being like well these people are normal yeah yeah yeah like if you're kind of detached from your day-to-day regular regular person's experience i don't know how effective you're really going to be you know so at least that like well look at these people our heroes can't relate to these kinds of hippie liberals and part of how you kind of highlight why that would be the case is like because they're so they're so caught up in what They're not even doing the good work that we might want to give you credit for trying to do. So I think there's a way to kind of like accept what they're with these depictions. Even though I've always wanted to be a hippie. Yeah. You? Like when you had long hair, that's more of like a metalhead thing? Yeah, that was more like a rock and roll kind of thing. I don't know that it was... Rock and roll like Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young?

Ronnie: 
Yeah, no, probably more like you said initially, a metal thing was very much what I was into at the time. Yeah, yeah, I should go that route with.

Rob: 
- I guess that's kind of my problem with these depictions, many Dale Gribbles. I don't know any hippies. So that's why for me, maybe it's harder to accept the criticism because I don't know.

Ronnie: 
that they're trying to mock

Rob: 
I want to be one. So what kind of steps have you taken? Stepping on birds eggs and this. Oh, you've done that? All right. Well, you're halfway there. Yeah, let me stomp on some eggs. Do you have armpit hair? I do. Well, you're mostly there Rob. And I stink. Well, I guess for me, growing up, my mom was Wiccan. So maybe there was some of that kind of hippie love nature kind of stuff. But you know, she wasn't doing no activism or nothing like that. I just always wanted to be like alternative. I don't want to succumb to the temptation of corporate America and that kind of thing. Like I want to... As a kid, I want to be like a cool slacker who doesn't give a fuck about mainstream society and I'm on the road digging. That maybe would be the word I would use as I posture. Like I want to go, I want to go dig the mountains. Yes. Hell yeah. I also love basketball and Saved by the Bell. Yeah, those are, you know, it's oil and water there, Rob. I don't know. All right. Well, so they make their getaway. I mean, Hank is looking for a place to ditch this body, basically. So he pulls over at this, like, culvert, I guess you'd say. He tries to shove the bird into a drainage pipe. oddly narrow and the bird won't fit so they kind of have it off to the side like the bird is lying they're off to the side dead while the guys come up with new ideas for what to do and bobby on his own over here with the bird is doing some we matanya ritualistic healing stuff no so i want to touch on that because i love how we see bobby is fucking

Ronnie: 
Running with this idea like he's inventing new aspects of this of this whole thing that is completely made the spot and completely all bullshit that's been presented to him. But again, he's like expanding this lore And he is so into this and so invested.

Rob: 
in this We Metaigne stuff. So I think quite a bit goes on here with the guys and Bobby and everything, until Hank finally blows up at him. Brother bird, I have given you a last flight and made my peace with you. I release your spirit to We Metaigne. Like, where did he get the idea of a last flight for the bird, right? He's just filling in the blanks, making up his own shit. So we are seeing here in this episode how fucking creative Bobby is. That's a good point. And again like

Ronnie: 
forward he is such a bright like this is crazy

Rob: 
Nobody taught him this. He is like pulling from what he's seen on TV or whatever to come up with all this on his own. The, what are the jerky boys called in this world?

Ronnie: 
I don't know. Yeah, with their fart noises of tranquility. Woo, loo, loo!

Rob: 
- Son, would you please knock it off There is no whamitanie. It's just some damn nonsense. Tell him, Dale. How do you know my name, Crane Killer? I never met any of you people before in my life. Tell him, Bill. He's right, Bobby. It's all a crock. Those spirit bags of yours, just my ex-wife's old socks. And by the way, I want them back. And by the way, I want them back. I love it so much. Bobby is taking it so serious, and Hank isn't. Right. Right? And that's been the case the whole time. But we see Bobby sticking up for his dad when Joseph raises questions. rewatch the episode and you see how they are laying all the groundwork to lead up to the big final scene here, which I do really like. But I also like in that clip that we just heard, come on, man, Dale, right away. How do you know my name? How do you know my name? And then Bill, I love the delivery of,

Ronnie: 
it's all a crock. For them, the fun was lying to the kids, right? Yeah. It's like, oh, we got lied to as kids. We want to lie. That's a part of this. It's getting lied to by your parents. Kind of like Christmas, you know, where you lie to your kid. I assume you guys did Christmas with Felix, Santa Claus and everything.

Rob: 
right away there's no such thing as Santa Claus. Really? Yeah, I actually thought of Hank just said it's all bullshit. Here's poor Sweet Bobby trying to be okay with that. So, everything you said was all a lie? Yes, that's the secret of the snipe hunt. That's the whole point. Oh, I get it. Oh, I just feel for Bobby. Like, oh, okay. He has been betrayed. Big time. By his hero. And just like, oh, okay. Like in a way, he's even still coming from a faith that his dad knows best and is doing the right thing, right? Like, oh, okay. So if you made it all up, like it hurts, but I think I can, I can probably be okay with that. It's like, he's trying to, to be all right with it. Right. Yeah. And that's the thing, like, you know, for me, I don't know anything about Boy Scouts, this and that. So like, for me, this episode is so divorced from like anything I've really experienced a whole lot of in my life. Like, oh, my uncle has a... and we drive around the grounds and golf carts, I just making shit up. But at some point, 18 years old or something, maybe I'm like, you know what, dude, lying is fucked up and I'm not going to do it anymore. Right. I always thought of it as I got to live my life in a way so that I never feel like I have to lie about it. And I, you know, I haven't really done that, but I mostly try to be honest. And certainly you're raising a kid. It's like, look, I don't know how to raise a fucking kid. Who does? But at the I feel like you need to be honest with the kid. And then you can figure out, like, I don't know if this came up with square peg, but like, you can figure out like, when is the right age to deal with certain things? gonna straight up fucking out of nowhere be like hey there's a fucking guy in a red suit and he's watching you you better act right or else i'm not gonna give you stuff never made any sense to me so we just told him santa claus is a made-up character don't tell anyone at school oh wow okay uh let's get felix down here then i want to ask him about this no i mean like so for me i remember i figured

Ronnie: 
- They kind of piece together that like, okay, this doesn't line up. This doesn't make a whole lot of sense. You know, I have to wonder somebody that was told by their parents

Rob: 
"Look, you're of the age, we were lying to you the whole time. Santa isn't real." subconsciously also you're teaching children be good so you can get materialistic things right like that's kind of interesting in itself like you are being watched you better behave or else you will not get toys crazy bailey kipper is watching you constantly and you better be good i understood with my parents okay this is something that everybody does so i didn't take it personally very very very fascinating here and and seeing bobby deal with this of course as we wrap up wrap up the episode uh it does kind of come full circle to where bobby thinks he was right uh towards the end here yeah hank tries to explain where he's coming from i mean he can tell that bobby is feeling betrayed bobby i didn't mean to let you down Just when Dale and Bill and Boomhauer and me went through this as kids, all the tricks and lies from our dads, they were part of the experience. It brought us all together, you know, us against them. Which, you know, he's lifelong friends with those dudes and they bonded in part through this experience. So I do like that... you know, a dick like me would be like, why would you ever lie to your kids? You know, that's bad. It's like, well, you can you hear here where Hank is coming from. And because it kind of played like, well, it's, you know, we'll drink beers and goof on the boys. You know, we'll we'll fuck around with the boys, make them pee their sleeping bags or whatever, you know, that kind of stuff. Yeah. But especially when he puts it that way. Right. Like we bonded and we have been watching them still bonded. lifelong forever friends. Like you were saying, they all live near each other. Like it's really a, so if Hank in his mind is looking to put Bobby in a position to have those same kinds of bonds with other people, know what it's like to have a father-son relationship that you would really want, you know? Right. Yeah. So it is kind of like Hank's trying to pass on, you know, not just for his own entertainment with his buddies, but like trying to pass on something that's been actually very incredibly meaningful to him. And just not even, it doesn't occur to him maybe that something else is possible between father and son because of his own experience, you know? Right. Yeah. No, you're right. You're right. And I have come around on this in the last minute or But yeah, I'd be interested to see going forward, you know, Hank moving away from

Ronnie: 
Cotton's upbringing lessons that he gave to him. Because, yeah, here it's like he was just trying to go with the flow, but he's realizing almost in real time that it maybe wasn't the right thing or whatever, even though he had good intentions with it. Yeah. He's like, yeah, you know, like, this is what we had. I wanted to do this with you, but maybe it got us in this bad situation.

Rob: 
If I never lied to you about this, this wouldn't have happened. Yeah. Yeah. That makes me think of, you know, with Square Peg, Hank finally breaks through when he's seeing what his... things is doing to the family and the relationships between the people right like bobby is judging peggy and hank's like now wait a minute you know and in this case he's like oh i thought i was doing something we might give him credit for thinking he's doing something good but now i see the way it's a my child, you know, someone I care about. And it's like that's what helps him snap out of it a you know, especially here, he just said back in the their fathers fucking with them helped the boys, Hank and the boys, the guys. It was us and then here's Bobby's Sweet, sweet response to that. I don't want to be against you. You're my dad. We're supposed to be on the same team. Of course we're on the same team. You and me. And now Team Hill is going to bury that whooping crane together and get out of this park without getting caught. hear the cops pulling up yeah but yeah you know i just love bobby's like i don't want to be against you you know i love that that moment i really like bobby there and then hank is like pretty quick right to to recognize obviously the value of that and that that's actually what he would want to so he he can he can run with that very easily i want to touch on uh at the beginning you know i think it was the first clip you played right where uh hank says can you imagine how i would have where where yeah you have people who go through these traumas or whatever and they try and justify it as a good thing and that's probably some sort of coping mechanism deep within us where then he tries to justify these other behaviors to bobby but then when bobby says stuff like that he realized hank realizes oh yeah maybe that wasn't the right thing yeah yeah well so they are going to be teammates who But unfortunately the ranger pulls up. Yeah, they didn't get it done in time. So here comes some hippies who I guess maybe don't say anything at this point. I can't remember. But the park ranger certainly is like ready to bring them all in. You know, he's like, he says something like, you fooled me about the order of the straight arrow. He's like, I don't know what you did to this man in his underwear. He's gonna bust them. Like they are in trouble. But then the whooping crane stands up, kind of shakes itself awake. Majestically. It's a beautiful scene, yeah. And so here's the ranger now that he sees, cause he goes, uh, give me that bird. I need it for evidence. But then the, the. I guess knocking a crane unconscious isn't a crime, although it's probably not good for them. You're free to go. It's probably not good for them. That's the part of the episode that always stood out to me as well.

Ronnie: 
line from the episode is although it's probably not good for

Rob: 
so funny yeah the bird flies away yeah bobby takes credit yeah he does you know like hank is like well you knocked the bird out or whatever you know he's what does he say is he like it's a miracle or something yeah bobby says and then hank's like well you just knocked it out bobby's like no it was dead i love he fucking says i'm a shaman bobby takes credit like all of his we metanye stuff he's like we metanye did a dad and he thinks that all of his like water ritual

Ronnie: 
previously to this, were working. And again, when they were driving away, Bobby has

Rob: 
Feel the air.

Ronnie: 
or whatever like Bobby is convinced at this point that he is the reason that the bird is okay even though it's just all completely coincidence and as we know uh we met Tanya as

Rob: 
Right. Or is it? I guess that's a good question. It's open-ended. I guess, you know, I can't say no for certain. Yeah, we don't know. Yeah. Birds seem dead to me.

Ronnie: 
were manhandling it a lot you think they would have killed it with how much they were fucking around with it and I have to imagine when Bobby felt like he had this power he was probably feeling like he was on top of the world you know he had his dad on his side he brought this bird back to life with the powers of we metanya he's a certain

Rob: 
We met Tonya shaman. Shaman. We do get that tag scene as the credits roll where Peggy's filing the one off her size 16 shoes. - It's a new microwave. - How does Hank not know it's the same microwave, right? Like, is she actually buying a same microwave? Like, 'cause if Hannah told me, oh, I bought a new microwave, I'd be like, fingerprints on it like what are you talking about and two do you think he has to know about her feet right like he's been married to her for however many years you think he just knows and he's just choosing not to bring it up or address it or say anything about it that's not how it plays right it seems like he believes that it's a microwave right they play it like yeah like like that's so but i just can't believe this at all yeah i wonder what'll come up later with her feet more like that when it comes to Peggy trying to pretend that she doesn't have enormous feet. Like, well, Hank seemed like he knows that she does and that she's sensitive about it. Although I guess in this case, he doesn't have any reason to think it would have anything to do with her feet. So it is just about like, does he not understand it's the same microwave, which makes me think, I don't know, maybe he's just like, she's totally in charge of the domestic indoor stuff and food just appears on his plate in front of him when it's dinner time. And he's not thinking too much about any of that.

Ronnie: 
there's no reason he would know that that's what she was up to or like where she gets her shoes from like he's probably not the kind of guy who's ever gonna really think about that otherwise so i guess it does work i mean poor peggy man i i can't wait till she can just get online and

Rob: 
those shoes and not have to drive in secrecy for 12 hours a motel and everything just to pull off this heist. There'll probably even be a website... that'll package it like sex toys or something, weren't it? Discreet. Yeah, discreet packaging. Discreet packaging for the large-footed woman, yeah. It seems like such a weird little detail about her, but they do address it in at least one other episode I know of, and I think more. So I like that they'll bring it back. But I don't want to get too much into my final thoughts here. I thought we'd jump on over to our quiz bowl. Oh, yeah. Yes. This one is in the IMDb trivia, which... I don't wanna ever say I don't know, 'cause that's not interesting or fun. And last time I was thinking,

Ronnie: 
I was just saying Whataburger and I didn't say it, I just said I don't know

Rob: 
- Yeah. - So, but that's the thing is, Yeah, I don't mean to set you up with a hard one like this. I did think like once I saw it around and I just looked at it. so much so I thought well yeah I'll go with this but uh no it's all right that's no cuz mine's name related to oh shoot dude I don't know I'm gonna say Ann Richards cuz she shows yeah I wonder how big is Ann Richards, right? I don't take her as being She might be kind of a handsome woman. So maybe she'd be fair play here. I think that's how they did it. Yeah, I don't know. I'm not gonna get it. I don't know. One of them is Lucy Arnaz, which I assume is, they mean Lucy and Desi's child who was on a show with Lucy. I was just watching I Love Lucy the other week too. Damn it. - Oh, okay. - I'm not sure why she's... - This is like a bit of a dig, right? - Right, are they just insulting these women

Ronnie: 
- I actually have bigger

Rob: 
a more masculine face, right? Like her features. she's been able to play sexy ladies and everything. It's not saying she's unattractive, but I guess she might skew a little masculine. Whereas, say, That's the third one I got listed. Oh, really? Straight up a dude in drag. Yeah. Bea Arthur. Bea Arthur was Dorothy on Golden Girls. They would make fun of her being a bit of a dude, you know, man-ish and everything. She didn't like all that. It really hurt her feelings that they So that's kind of too bad. And Janet Reno. Okay. I'm not familiar with that name, but I know everybody else. She was what attorney general under Clinton. And also again, like she was like, Will Ferrell played her on, - Oh. - So it was like that kind of joke. - Okay, so I guess, so yeah, it seems like they're kind of just taking digs at these ladies. - Yeah. - And RuPaul, I would take it. - Yeah. - Well, that's a good question. And like I said, I did see something about that. I just didn't, I should have thought, I was like looking at so many other little details You were watching old Spyballs instead of doing your research on this episode, prepping for your quiz. I know. If only I had some Spyballs on the episode itself, maybe I would have picked up that information. Okay, so my question for you, Rob, I'm zero for three so far with Yep. So on the trip, the boys, we had Bobby, Joseph, and Randy. Who was the fourth blonde-haired boy?

Ronnie: 
But somebody does say his name.

Rob: 
Bobby, Randy, Garth?

Ronnie: 
Garth. There was speculation, you know, he looks like Garth from Wayne little bit. Maybe he was modeled after that. I don't know if that's true or not. But yes, his name is Garth... And I actually had two questions here for you in case we did talk about Garth. My second one was, what is Peggy's fake name that she gives?

Rob: 
just play the clip for you when she's signing into motel seven i am senora gracia abenez and i will be playing in cash senora gracia ibanez gracia is that a name i doubt it i don't know i only recognize ibanez because that's a guitar yeah yeah so specifically one that a lot of a lot of your metal guys would use yeah that's what that's right that's what corn we're using man oh yeah that was my uh big uh interest in metal so uh we both didn't get the other guys. So that's all right. My backup one was what is Peggy Hill's true shoe size? Oh, see, that's the thing is in this episode, they don't really address it in a future episode. She one foot is size 16. The other foot is 16 and a half. Is that right? Yeah. So she has two different feet sizes. One is bigger. But all right. Hey, that's our that's our quiz bowl. Some And the same stuff that we've been running into is what makes me like it. Right? Like it does revolve around relationships and those relationships are defined by who these people are as we grapple with like what you kind of accidentally believe. In Hank's case, Colossus. with who you aspire to be and who you really truly maybe are right like he's a loving father who wants that close relationship to good relationship with his son and kind of like... kind of constantly running into this accidental worldview that he has, like these things he believes in, this sense of reality that he has that, you know, got instilled in him. And if I think about it that way, it's like, well, shit, man. And that's what I'm pretty sure all of life amounts to, is kind of going moment to moment, being like, "Man, I got a lot of money, in here in my head that got put there. put stuff there on purpose and then a bunch of just, you know, absorbed from a haphazard, insane, demented culture. And I got to figure out how to be well and to be good for others in this life. Like watching Hank navigate that, even in an episode with, what, 39 times they say the same word? Yes. That's all. It ended up being good for... And that then made me think, okay, well, so what about the rating aspect? right as we go through these episodes i gotta rate it i enjoyed it way more than i thought where do i stand on so if it turns out that even an episode that i thought i wouldn't like i like quite a bit what am i gonna fucking give every episode like four and a half or five stars you know what i mean right yeah so when it came to the rating i'm like look i gotta start at least trying to make the full five stars in play right i don't know if there'll ever be a time where i'm can't be like compared to everything else I've ever watched. the least favorite King of the Hill episode would still be a five or whatever. So I'm coming down on for my rating. Now there are five of these whooping cranes left in the world. Shaman Bobby brought that one back to life. Yeah, that one back, yeah. But I don't think I can give this episode five whooping cranes. i should probably have like sound effects let me let me get rid of one of these now how can i kill half a whooping crane because i think i'm going three and a half out of five you gotta knock it unconscious i'm not gonna conscious perfect yeah i'm going three and a half out of five on this one i guess knocking a crane unconscious isn't a crime although it's probably not good for them no yeah and that's fair and that is something that i grapple with

Ronnie: 
dealt with this where it's like okay how do i you know because i don't want to give again like you said every episode of five or whatever like that you know that is a part of it um to this episode again is it wasn't one of my favorites it still isn't one of my favorites it's not one i necessarily want to go back and watch but of course doing it on the podcast i have i have really come to appreciate it it's doing a lot of smart things i didn't really pick up on the first time around or the first however many times around uh this is kind of like square peg but for hank yeah right It's still a very good episode, I think, but I'm going to give this one two and a half. fun savers out of five. Put one of those cameras in half, just rip it in half, those cardboard cameras. I'm going to take a lot of pictures with those cameras, though, the two functioning ones, because there is a lot of pictures that can be taken of great moments in this episode. Again, just not one of my favorites because, I mean, look at Square

Rob: 
which was so ridiculous and silly and fun. This one a lot more serious, which I appreciate that the show does, but it's just not for me. I will say, yeah, I laughed out loud less at this episode. Yes. As much as I came to appreciate what it was doing and was pleasantly surprised that I did enjoy it quite a bit. It wasn't enjoying it, like Square Peg, as we said, obviously. So fucking funny over and over again. And this wasn't like that. Not laugh out loud funny, still funny enough. And I really liked what was going on with the characters in this one.

Ronnie: 
But we have some golfing leads to Hank meeting his hero, Willie Nelson,

Rob: 
Howard talking to Bob Dylan. Then you change your name, Zimmerman, and you're born again. Yeah, a whole bunch of kids coming around. Mad Dog. Denim. Going platinum. Who knows? Accounting firms and hit. Dang old boom hour. Dang old boom hour. Yeah, and speaking of Minnesota. Oh, yeah. Some Bob Dylan there. Yeah. I mean, that's a star-studded episode, for sure. I mean, it is Willie Nelson, and that wasn't Bob Dylan. No? No, I don't think it was. Was it Willie Nelson doing Bob Dylan? It was. He does a great Dylan. That's what most people don't know about Willie. I'm excited to see Willie. He's a legend. I'm a little surprised. I mean, we'll get into it. But Hank loves Willie Nelson, and I guess fair enough. But I'll tell you what. of Willie playing on a TV show and he's got like a haircut and no beard. Yeah, yeah. Unrecognizable. So I started trying to find videos from each subsequent year to watch the evolution. of Willie into the long haired pigtail beard hippie that we all know with the bandana on his head and everything. I couldn't quite piece together on YouTube the caveman